Make it a challenge to store meat outside


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Like it needs to be packaged (newspaper can be used for this?) and put up in a tree or something or else animals will come and eat it away. In real life sometimes i dont put my garbage into the garbage container because im lazy so i put it outside my door. Often animals comes to pick holes into it and see if there is anything edible.

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I think the idea here is similar to other suggestions about storing food and carcasses in such a way as to not attract more animals. Other suggestions have talked about hanging things from trees, etc, as well, and logic makes sense. Realistically, if you are storing food/waste in a place that animals can get at it, it will attract animals. Campers are frequently told not to leave food in their tents or around their campsite where animals can get to it (particularly bears). Sometimes, in areas with unusually high bear activity, we are told not even to leave it in our cars (because bears can, in fact, break into cars), but to use special bear-proof containers or hang our food off the ground from a high branch.

I'm not so sure about whether the idea of packaging is such a good one for the game. Yes, freezer burn is a concern when storing thing in sub-zero temperatures, but I doubt any of the items we come across in the game would help that problem. The goal when you are going to be freezing food (meat in particular), is to keep out air and moisture. These days we typically use resealable plastic bags, which are ideal for this function. Another way to do it would be to use the butcher's paper that your meat portions come wrapped in, but that has a wax coating on the inside which is what allows it to effectively keep out that air and moisture. Newspaper, unfortunately, does not have this benefit, is exceptionally bag at keeping out moisture (it gets soggy pretty quickly). So I imagine that wrapping your meat in newspaper, and leaving it outside would just cause the newspaper to absorb moisture not only from the air around it, but also from whatever is stored inside it. The newspaper would then freeze solid overnight, and good luck to you if you try to separate your food from the newspaper ever again.

TL;DR - storing food outside so that it doesn't attract animals should be more challenging than just dropping unwrapped slabs of venison outside your shelter door, but there aren't really any packaging options available atm. I mean, I haven't seen any ziploc bags around lol.

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Ziploc bags and newspaper won't conceal the smell or deter scavengers. You need hard, rigid materials to keep out even rats or foxes, let alone wolves and bears. You do get critter-resistant flexible materials for bags, but these are usually made from steel mesh or some kind of ballistic material, like Kevlar - they are fairly specialist bits of kit and likely to be very uncommon forage, even in bear-country.

Personally, I'd like to see more outdoor containers, especially large ones. Things like lean-to stores, steel barrels and water butts. This would improve outdoor food storage options and be reasonable to say that they are scavenger-proof. Maybe even using porta-loos (porta-pottys) as big lockers.

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This will be better addressed through the 'moving or crafting containers' feature update. Once I can place a few metal/plastic containers right outside my door, that will take away the unsightly meat scattered all over the place and the lacking realism that comes along with animals ignoring said meat.

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On 17/3/2017 at 2:40 PM, GorillaDust said:

This will be better addressed through the 'moving or crafting containers' feature update. Once I can place a few metal/plastic containers right outside my door, that will take away the unsightly meat scattered all over the place and the lacking realism that comes along with animals ignoring said meat.

Well when i said make it a challenge i mean that it should be a challenge.

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Yes! The player should have to dig a pit with rocks to keep out the bear or suspend the food from a tree using a rope. Throwing it down on the ground seems crazy especially since wolves track you when you have the meat on you and yet they fail to detect it when you drop it outdoors not within their sight. This is actually a bug isn't it?

A meat cache using rocks is not easy to build since you need heavy rocks, that are frozen to the ground. An outdoor locker would be a better option. How would you stop wolves from simply staking out your cache and waiting for you though?

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Or how about building a snow shelter (15 sticks and 5 cloth) or something similar to store meat. The effort of building and the cost would be more of a challenge than just drop it in front of your shelter.

And yes, I like the idea of carnivores being attracked from meat laying around since dropping meat is aswell a method of distract wolves from chasing you.

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On 21/3/2017 at 9:48 PM, polente said:

Or how about building a snow shelter (15 sticks and 5 cloth) or something similar to store meat. The effort of building and the cost would be more of a challenge than just drop it in front of your shelter.

And yes, I like the idea of carnivores being attracked from meat laying around since dropping meat is aswell a method of distract wolves from chasing you.

Snowshelters wont keep wolves at bay

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If you wrapped the meat in cloth and then buried under big rocks, it would slow the predators down. The real ones have very sensitive sense of smell. Bear poll or buried cache are the best options. But as a game compromise, I'm ok with snow shelter until there is time for something more believable.

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