Faithful Cartographer - How many locations?

[peteloud]

How many locations are there for the Faithful Cartographer achievement?

I have 240 locations, which is marked as100%, but I haven't got the FC achievement.

The water tower in Milton is puzzling.  The drawing of the tower on my map, is in the pre-Redux position, but the name does not appear. 

To double check I stood almost touching the new tower and sketched, and also went to the earlier position of the tower and did a sketch there.   The text still didn't appear of the map.

[UpUpAway95]

I don't think the water tower should be  a problem since you have the Location Trigger "Town of Milton" clearly on the map.  Have you checked off all your map markings against those on the list Hinterland's has posted?

I don't yet know if it will prevent me from getting the achievement, but I am having an issue with Spruce Falls Bridge.  Hinterland's list has both an Icon and and Location Trigger for that location.  Wherever else they've asked for both, I've been able to see the Location Trigger, or at least part of it, somewhere close to the icon.  However, for the Spruce Falls Bridge, only the Icon is showing up even though I've mapped the bridge from several different angles.  You picture of your map doesn't show that area, so I can't tell whether or not you might be having the same sort of problem.

[peteloud]

8 hours ago, UpUpAway95 said:

I don't think the water tower should be  a problem since you have the Location Trigger "Town of Milton" clearly on the map.  Have you checked off all your map markings against those on the list Hinterland's has posted?

I don't yet know if it will prevent me from getting the achievement, but I am having an issue with Spruce Falls Bridge.  Hinterland's list has both an Icon and and Location Trigger for that location.  Wherever else they've asked for both, I've been able to see the Location Trigger, or at least part of it, somewhere close to the icon.  However, for the Spruce Falls Bridge, only the Icon is showing up even though I've mapped the bridge from several different angles.  You picture of your map doesn't show that area, so I can't tell whether or not you might be having the same sort of problem.

I have a list of all locations and have checked them off as best I could, but there are occasions where it is difficult to see the text entry when it is beneath an icon.  Spruce Falls Bridge is an example of this.  However for SFB I can see text, bridge icon and car icons.

My concentration on Milton's Water Tower was a result of me confusing Radio Tower and Water Tower.  Perhaps I had had a glass pf wine too much.

I'll go through the list again, and be more careful in my checking.  I was hoping that someone would reply saying that they have found 242, or whatever, locations, which would definitely mean that I have missed somewhere.

[peteloud]

I found another which takes my locations up to 241, but I still haven't been awarded the Faithful Cartographer achievement.

 

 

[UpUpAway95]

1 hour ago, peteloud said:

I found another which takes my locations up to 241, but I still haven't been awarded the Faithful Cartographer achievement.

 

 

What has me really confused is that there are only 177 very specific locations listed on Hinterland's List (at the beginning of the pinned thread about the Faithful Cartographer Achievement).  You're way over that, so I'm thinking you must be missing a location their list and the other 64 locations you've mapped don't count towards the achievement.  Are you mapping the "Leave X Region" triggers that happen when you're about to transition to a new map?

Since you started mapping fore the update... The post from Hinterland's also mentions that you might have to do one mapping action on each map to trigger the achievement.

[peteloud]

I have not seen the Hinterland list that you mention.  

My location count is that which appears in my 'Journal'.  I am not selective in what I map.  I just use charcoal whenever I feel that I'm in an interesting place or have a blank area on the map.

[UpUpAway95]

21 minutes ago, peteloud said:

I have not seen the Hinterland list that you mention.  

My location count is that which appears in my 'Journal'.  I am not selective in what I map.  I just use charcoal whenever I feel that I'm in an interesting place or have a blank area on the map.

I think you better check your maps against Hinterland's List for the Achievement.  The thread is pinned at the beginning of this section of the forums and is titled "Faithful Cartographer Achievement Locations in The Long Dark [SPOILERS] - Updated for VIGILANT FLAME" - Hinterland's list is the very first post in the thread.  My guess is that your missing location is probably somewhere on that list.  BTW, great job filling in all the maps.  I'm having trouble figuring out how to get to a lot of the unnamed places, so my maps have a lot of holes in them.  I'm just trying to make sure I get everything on Hinterland's list.  Hopefully, that will cause the achievement to pop when I'm done.

[peteloud]

I have found the list to which you refer.   I automatically overlook those threads that are permanently there.  The list that I was checking against seems to be the same list.  Strangely, it misses the DP Stone Church location.

I now need to read all of those posts in that thread

[UpUpAway95]

I know there is a list up on TrueAchievements that seems to be the same list.  I'm using the one here though just in case.  I copied and pasted it into a spreadsheet and I'm marking them off as I charcoal each one.  If I charcoal something that's not on the list, I'm just typing them in to the bottom of my spreadsheet just in case.

[ProsPex]

57 minutes ago, peteloud said:

Strangely, it misses the DP Stone Church location

I believe one of the updates removed the Stone Church from the required locations to obtain the Faithful Cartographer achievement because the location didn't show up for some legacy saved games.

Went backed and checked... in the notes for Update v1.33 [37608] — VIGILANT FLAME

* [Survival Mode] Removed Stone Church from Faithful Cartographer requirements, as it was causing an issue with legacy game saves.

[peteloud]

This is becoming an interesting but frustrating and time consuming problem/investigation.

I read through the posts in "Faithful Cartographer Achievement Locations in The Long Dark [SPOILERS] - Updated for VIGILANT FLAME" .  Most of them referred to earlier versions of TLD so it was hard to decide whether they were relevant.  This meant that I became a bit bored and perhaps didn't give all the posts the attention that they might have deserved.

So I decided to make some max. scale copies of the maps by screen dumping and merging the max. scale maps.  That started to be a hassle because the titles etc. screwed up the merging.  However, in the process, I noticed something interesting.  On the maps is says "Map updated xxxx".  The "xxx" might be "today" or "61 days ago".  In some of the maps this was incorrect.  Maps I updated in the past day or two were saying that it was last updated many days ago, probably when I last used this Voyager run which was weeks ago. 

Perhaps there is some sort of incompatibility between my earlier mapping and my new mapping.  I started this 700+ day Voyager run months ago, and at that time I was not even aware of the mapping facility.   After playing it for a while I started to make maps, but my objective was to fill in black spaces rather than collect locations and icons.  It is only recently that I returned to this run to use it as the basis for Faithful Cartographer achievement. 

So now I am asking myself is this a problem of my missing locations or of incompatibility between older and new maps.

On a separate issue, I find it very satisfying to read many of the postings. The level of postings and their analysis of problems is very high.  I suspect that a great proportion of those who post comments are highly skilled IT specialists, (although not all).  It is great to be dealing with people who have such skills and a serious approach.

[UpUpAway95]

1 hour ago, peteloud said:

This is becoming an interesting but frustrating and time consuming problem/investigation.

I read through the posts in "Faithful Cartographer Achievement Locations in The Long Dark [SPOILERS] - Updated for VIGILANT FLAME" .  Most of them referred to earlier versions of TLD so it was hard to decide whether they were relevant.  This meant that I became a bit bored and perhaps didn't give all the posts the attention that they might have deserved.

So I decided to make some max. scale copies of the maps by screen dumping and merging the max. scale maps.  That started to be a hassle because the titles etc. screwed up the merging.  However, in the process, I noticed something interesting.  On the maps is says "Map updated xxxx".  The "xxx" might be "today" or "61 days ago".  In some of the maps this was incorrect.  Maps I updated in the past day or two were saying that it was last updated many days ago, probably when I last used this Voyager run which was weeks ago. 

Perhaps there is some sort of incompatibility between my earlier mapping and my new mapping.  I started this 700+ day Voyager run months ago, and at that time I was not even aware of the mapping facility.   After playing it for a while I started to make maps, but my objective was to fill in black spaces rather than collect locations and icons.  It is only recently that I returned to this run to use it as the basis for Faithful Cartographer achievement. 

So now I am asking myself is this a problem of my missing locations or of incompatibility between older and new maps.

On a separate issue, I find it very satisfying to read many of the postings. The level of postings and their analysis of problems is very high.  I suspect that a great proportion of those who post comments are highly skilled IT specialists, (although not all).  It is great to be dealing with people who have such skills and a serious approach.

Perhaps try Hinterland's suggestion.  Go to each region of the game world and do a new mapping action.  Hinterland seems to be implying that this will cause the achievement to recognize mapping done before the Vigilant Flame update.  I hope it works out for you so that you don't have to start over in order to get the achievement.  Good luck.

[peteloud]

20 hours ago, UpUpAway95 said:

Perhaps try Hinterland's suggestion.  Go to each region of the game world and do a new mapping action.  Hinterland seems to be implying that this will cause the achievement to recognize mapping done before the Vigilant Flame update. 

I've just tried that.  I revisited each region and did at least one new mapping action,  and I still haven't satisfied the achievement criteria. 

Faithful Cartographer is a good concept, it encourages players to visit all regions, but I have spent three days just trying to sort out why I haven't got the achievement.  I'm not even sure if I have missed a location or there is a bug.  However with 241 locations in my 'Journal', and all of the locations and icons in the previously mentioned list ticked off I feel that I probably have mapped all of the locations.

I give up.

[UpUpAway95]

1 hour ago, peteloud said:

I've just tried that.  I revisited each region and did at least one new mapping action,  and I still haven't satisfied the achievement criteria. 

Faithful Cartographer is a good concept, it encourages players to visit all regions, but I have spent three days just trying to sort out why I haven't got the achievement.  I'm not even sure if I have missed a location or there is a bug.  However with 241 locations in my 'Journal', and all of the locations and icons in the previously mentioned list ticked off I feel that I probably have mapped all of the locations.

I give up.

I'm sorry you've had to give up on it.  I've heard that this particular achievement can be buggy and has given other people a lot of grief.  Maybe send Hinterland's a bug report.

[peteloud]

If I could identify where the problem was I'd make Bug Report, (I already make quite a few Bug Reports on other issues), but, as I have said, "I'm not even sure if I have missed a location or there is a bug".  I could spent many hours more double checking every location etc. etc. but I am fed up with the achievement and can't be bothered to spend more time on it.   I suspect that Hinterland staff read these postings, so someone will get the message that there is a probably still a problem.

[UpUpAway95]

12 minutes ago, peteloud said:

If I could identify where the problem was I'd make Bug Report, (I already make quite a few Bug Reports on other issues), but, as I have said, "I'm not even sure if I have missed a location or there is a bug".  I could spent many hours more double checking every location etc. etc. but I am fed up with the achievement and can't be bothered to spend more time on it.   I suspect that Hinterland staff read these postings, so someone will get the message that there is a probably still a problem.

If, as you said, you have ticked off every location on Hinterland's list, then it seems obvious to me that you have not missed a location' but if you don't want to make a bug report, that's OK.  I've got a ways to go yet before I've mapped all the locations on the list  and I didn't start my game before this last update either.  I'm not anticipating having a problem, but if I do, then we'll perhaps at least know that the issue isn't with the changes made to the maps.

[hozz1235]

I also tried to do this on my 850+ days Voy run and gave up.

My recommendation is start fresh.  Create a Pilgrim game with the sole purpose of getting the ach.  Print off Hinterland's list and check off each one as you confirm your mapping of that location.  Shouldn't take you too long.

[NardoLoopa]

Having recently accomplished this, may I suggest reviewing the presence of ICONs on your maps?  For example, Milton screen shot above seems to be missing Orca Gas Station (which I was also missing for a time).

[peteloud]

14 hours ago, NardoLoopa said:

Having recently accomplished this, may I suggest reviewing the presence of ICONs on your maps?  For example, Milton screen shot above seems to be missing Orca Gas Station (which I was also missing for a time).

That is only because the whole area does not fit on to one screen map.  Here is a lower section of the area, complete with Orca Gas Station.

When you check your journal how many locations have you discovered?

[nicko]

On 1/28/2019 at 7:41 AM, peteloud said:

If I could identify where the problem was I'd make Bug Report, (I already make quite a few Bug Reports on other issues), but, as I have said, "I'm not even sure if I have missed a location or there is a bug".  I could spent many hours more double checking every location etc. etc. but I am fed up with the achievement and can't be bothered to spend more time on it.   I suspect that Hinterland staff read these postings, so someone will get the message that there is a probably still a problem.

I have sim issues, pretty much marked and checked of each Icon and trigger point yet still trying to get the achievement. crazy

[nicko]

What would be good is some sort of log / alert saying when you have mapped all areas for a region. Then we know that region is good to go so we go to the next one.

[NardoLoopa]

4 hours ago, peteloud said:

When you check your journal how many locations have you discovered?

I had 239 before I unlocked the Achievement, and 239 after as well, since the Achievement is for mapping, not for discovering.  You can have 239 (or even 240) and have zero items mapped, of course.

My issue was that while I had the Bridge and Orca on Milton mapped (per the brown text), I did not have the Icons mapped.  Turns out having line of sight on what you are mapping matters.  (I was in the Orca car the first time, and looking out the backdoor the second.  Not until I looked right at the Orca and mapped, did the icon appear).

To avoid going crazy, I took the list posted here on the forum, and screenshots of all the maps.  I created a spreadsheet, and checked off each item as I verified them on my maps.  This is how I discovered the two missing icons.  After surveying them, the achievement unlocked.

Best of luck!

[UpUpAway95]

As of today (February 22, 2019), the list given by Hinterlands in the pinned thread is accurate.  The achievement popped for me just after I charcoal the last location I needed to complete the list.  I didn't wait for my Day 500 on Timberwolf Mountain (as I had originally planned) because I became concerned that the addition of another map might mean they would expand this list needed to fill this achievement.  Now my Faithful Cartographer is planning to retire in Coastal Highway until he reaches the 500-day mark.

[hozz1235]

36 minutes ago, UpUpAway95 said:

As of today (February 22, 2019), the list given by Hinterlands in the pinned thread is accurate.  The achievement popped for me just after I charcoal the last location I needed to complete the list.  I didn't wait for my Day 500 on Timberwolf Mountain (as I had originally planned) because I became concerned that the addition of another map might mean they would expand this list needed to fill this achievement.  Now my Faithful Cartographer is planning to retire in Coastal Highway until he reaches the 500-day mark.

Grats!

[peteloud]

I eventually solved my problem.  It was my mistake.   My missing location for the Faithful Cartographer achievement was the icon for the exit from Mystery Lake to Forlorn Muskeg.   My careless checking was confused by the multiple inclusions of "Leave Mystery Lake".

 

After a little more playing of this Voyager game I have not been able to increase the number of locations mapped that is noted in my journal above 241.